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#1 Gintoki

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Posted 01 December 2016 - 12:46 PM

There's an interesting discussion going on in the Runescape HLF (High Level Forums) drawing attention to the forums being but a shell of their older self. The main blame was towards Jagex given that they run a tight ship and have developed this culture to censor its members; anything posted outside strict, secretive guidelines are met with a robot response from FMods locking the thread, not really allowing for any serious conversation. That being said, Zybez doesn't really have this problem - the staff team are generally pretty lapse, join in conversation and overall love the community that they reside in (compared to the very very low contribution rate that we see from Jagex these days in the RSOF) - but the forums have dwindled in activity also.

 

The OP of the threads post in the spoiler if you're interested

 

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So, one wonders why there has been a steady decrease in Runescape related forums over the years, a few explanations could be that;

 

  • Everyone has moved over the social media sites (such as reddit, twitter, facebook)
  • Lack of JMod interaction (they've also seemingly moved over to social media platforms)
  • Anonymity (what you say on reddit cannot effect your Runescape account unless you publicly state who you are)
  • Lack of functions and tools (primarily the RSOF, has about the same forum tools as an ipb board from the year 2000)
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Zybez, Sals Realm, Tip.IT ect apart from being their own niches and their own communities are not, now, where everyone is discussing Runescape. They all have their own benefits no doubt, Zybez being the go to place for the mighty clanners to brag and complain about the clanning worlds, supplying its deadman item exchange and took the initiative to create an item exchange when oldschool Runescape first came about... but it isn't where everyone goes for their news, recent drama and Sick Nerd's recent irl ags spec.

 

This thread has been a little bit of me just rambling really, but I'd like to bring forward a bit of a discussion as to whether or not everyone shares the same mind as me, and what fan sites and indeed the rsof can do to bring back its members.


Edited by Gintoki, 01 December 2016 - 12:47 PM.

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#2 Wack Sparrow

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Posted 01 December 2016 - 12:55 PM

Lack of Jmod interaction. I used to see Jmods every now and then. Now, I never see them. I do not care if they do not stream, I just like seeing them around.


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#3 Jake

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Posted 01 December 2016 - 12:59 PM

Reddit probably plays a factor in it but also less of a player base. I checked RS3 numbers the other day and there was like 17k on to OSRS 35k. Plus the RS forums suck. It's a shame Zybez isn't as active as it once was, as despite all the trolls and flames, it was quite fun. 


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#4 Run To GDZ

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Posted 01 December 2016 - 01:13 PM

all forums are useless with teamspeak and phone apps such as whatsapp and kik

 

rs forums are geared directly for rs3, with a small section for osrs.  pvm clans still use rsof but just for recruitment.  samething with zybez being mostly for clans to post fight topics.  clans should start posting topics on reddit if they want exposure.


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#5 Wee Man

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Posted 01 December 2016 - 01:30 PM

Forums are becoming more and more outdated, everything tends to be focused towards instant messaging and feeds, just look at the big social media platforms as examples, Facebook, Twitter and to a lesser extent Reddit. Forums now only exist for very niche audiences and slowly but surely will begin to die out in favour of instant communication and "live feeds".
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#6 Gintoki

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Posted 01 December 2016 - 01:31 PM

all forums are useless with teamspeak and phone apps such as whatsapp and kik

 

rs forums are geared directly for rs3, with a small section for osrs.  pvm clans still use rsof but just for recruitment.  samething with zybez being mostly for clans to post fight topics.  clans should start posting topics on reddit if they want exposure.

I don't know if its that they are geared towards RS3, more that the forums were there before osrs came out and all related discussion is put in the same sections (with an OSRS tag). Its probably not the best system given that RS3 players are posting a question and they get a stream of "brah just quit rs3 and play osrs", but there is certainly no discrimination by any means against oldschool.

 


Forums are becoming more and more outdated, everything tends to be focused towards instant messaging and feeds, just look at the big social media platforms as examples, Facebook, Twitter and to a lesser extent Reddit. Forums now only exist for very niche audiences and slowly but surely will begin to die out in favour of instant communication and "live feeds".

 

Surely there is ways of integrating the "livefeed" style to your forums though, have a look at this new project for a community/forum that's attempting to do just that in flarum

Forums are becoming more and more outdated, everything tends to be focused towards instant messaging and feeds, just look at the big social media platforms as examples, Facebook, Twitter and to a lesser extent Reddit. Forums now only exist for very niche audiences and slowly but surely will begin to die out in favour of instant communication and "live feeds".

 

Edited by Gintoki, 01 December 2016 - 01:38 PM.

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#7 Yoto32

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Posted 01 December 2016 - 01:41 PM

RS forums are definitely seeing less activity for two big reasons: 1. Reddit 2. General lower game activity. However, I wouldn't say forums will ever become irrelevant, they'll just fill in a different niche. We used to be THE central hub of activity, but honestly Reddit is now that role. However, forums are far more personal, which will always be a draw to a small group of players. 

 

And at least for RSC we still have the best clan community. Hard to see how clanning can be organized effectively without forums of some kind but I've been wrong before.


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#8 Run To GDZ

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Posted 01 December 2016 - 01:45 PM

Don't forget social media and reddit communication is undoubtedly more secure.  If i post on reddit I don't have to worry about someone getting mad and ddosing me or doxing me or giving my info out (which is the case on all forums regardless of what admins say).  Also don't have to worry about my rs account being flagged for botting etc.


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#9 Gintoki

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Posted 01 December 2016 - 01:49 PM

Don't forget social media and reddit communication is undoubtedly more secure.  If i post on reddit I don't have to worry about someone getting mad and ddosing me or doxing me or giving my info out (which is the case on all forums regardless of what admins say).  Also don't have to worry about my rs account being flagged for botting etc.

Reddit mods still have access to your I.P. It was only this morning that a reddit admin admitted to changing users posts so that's not necessarily true.
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#10 Out

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Posted 01 December 2016 - 03:13 PM

Strict forum rules and out dated forums are why RSOF are shadow of what they once were. Back when I played Runescape3 I'd only ever post in HLF due to the fact it was exempt from forum moderators locking threads etc.

 

They were in massive decline before reddit became popular too so that was the final nail in the coffin imo.


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#11 Ace

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Posted 01 December 2016 - 04:05 PM

A lot of its lack of interest but the rsof are pretty cancerous if you want to be specific. Fmods will close anything for pretty much any reason. Not to mention the normal forums were insanely outdated for a while. You couldn't post images there, you could post images on hlf but only as links, you had to have a certain forum extension if you wanted to actually see images, and not just links. The forums did get a small update though I believe.

 

Most forums are pretty strict though, and that might scare some people away. With the niche user base there is for forums these days you need to let discussions at least have a chance at happening, otherwise your forums are going to die off. You can take a look at a lot of the rule changes that have happened here over time and see that's been the case for a while.


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#12 Run To GDZ

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Posted 01 December 2016 - 05:43 PM

 

Don't forget social media and reddit communication is undoubtedly more secure.  If i post on reddit I don't have to worry about someone getting mad and ddosing me or doxing me or giving my info out (which is the case on all forums regardless of what admins say).  Also don't have to worry about my rs account being flagged for botting etc.

Reddit mods still have access to your I.P. It was only this morning that a reddit admin admitted to changing users posts so that's not necessarily true.

 

reddit admins have access to your ip, sub mods dont.  Reddit admins dont care about runescape and your reddit account doesnt get linked to your runescape account like on clan forums.

 

Overall, mods on reddit have less power, which is a good thing.


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#13 spoonheb

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Posted 01 December 2016 - 08:43 PM

They'll always have their place but for the most part I think they have been irrelevant for a number of years. The only exception being the HLF.
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#14 Rarez

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Posted 03 December 2016 - 01:24 AM

The RSOF has almost always been secondary to another platform.. back in the day it was the big fansite forums, nowadays it is reddit and other means.


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#15 Manga

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Posted 16 December 2016 - 10:54 PM

Let's be fair, the RSOF were never good. In it's prime it was used for selling pre GE, the rants board was full of petty stuff and most of the best stuff were suggestions anyway, and the rest was a high speed discussion board you never got much meaningful community interaction off it. Now we have Reddit, Skype, Discord and other ways of interacting with the community. The one main benefit, the Jmod interaction, is not that great, and you may as well go to Reddit as Mod Shauny is always there anyway.


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#16 Murdoc

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Posted 02 January 2017 - 09:00 PM

I'd argue the rise of YouTube and Twitch streaming by major players of any game has an important role in this trend as well, to tag onto whoever brought up the 'live feed' comment. No need to trouble yourself with anyone who has differing opinions again because now you can just retreat to an insular Twitch Chat with likeminded fanboys and of course directly real-time interact with your favourite personalities happily ever after.
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#17 BlueBerry_YamYam

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Posted 02 January 2017 - 11:12 PM

Problem and solution is simple. 

 

1. Official forum is run by A) An incompetent retard J. Mod (Infinity, last I checked, which was uhh, never) and B) Also run by utterly retarded F. Mods who will hide posts even if 1% of someone's post was a personal jab and the other 99% on-topic and constructive. 

 

RSOF were lost a long time ago when Infinity started handing modship out to his e-girls. 

 

On top of that, you still have idiots in the community that cry over simple changes, like off-site links being allowed or images and such. "c-c-cuz people might p-post p-p-phishing links!" Like seriously, out of every forum I can possibly think of that i've ever been signed up on i've literally never once seen malicious use other than the occasional rogue user who posts porn as a last hoorah before quitting whatever game it is. 

 

RSOF is irrelevant. 


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#18 W13

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Posted 03 January 2017 - 09:28 AM

Good discussion. I just wanna add: you have to remember a couple of advantages that forums have over popular social networks: forums are great for old content while social networks are better for current/live content. Forums are also a better medium for longer posts. Reddit has been pretty successful at a win-win solution where they incorporate both elements of forums and popular social networks. So when you google a question about RuneScape, you may get results of old threads in the Questions forum on Zybez and may also get results from old Reddits, but you are less likely to find old tweets, old Facebook comments, and Youtube comments with the answer.


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#19 Murdoc

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Posted 05 January 2017 - 06:12 AM

Oh actually, tagging on from W's post, another reason I got into RSC is the fact there's greater scope to stand out as an individual (I felt like another mindless drone on Reddit when I tried it briefly). Avatars, signatures, profile pages, and status updates. Plus I really appreciate the neat formatting of IPB which means it's much easier to follow (larger and constantly evolving) discussions over the course of any thread. It's a damn shame we're fighting a losing battle.
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#20 Gintoki

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Posted 05 January 2017 - 05:28 PM

Oh actually, tagging on from W's post, another reason I got into RSC is the fact there's greater scope to stand out as an individual (I felt like another mindless drone on Reddit when I tried it briefly). Avatars, signatures, profile pages, and status updates. Plus I really appreciate the neat formatting of IPB which means it's much easier to follow (larger and constantly evolving) discussions over the course of any thread. It's a damn shame we're fighting a losing battle.

That's a good point, it's very rare for somebody (especially in the runescape subreddits) to become "known" within the community unless they are a subreddit mod, a famous player or a jmod. From constantly posting your opinion on things and helping out others you really become your own identity in forums whereas on reddit if you don't post what is a part of the "hive mind" you just get downvoted and nobody really reads what you have to say. Everyone is on equal footing in forums, which is important for many people.


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