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[Murdoc]

For details of the EoC release, take a look here!

One aspect of the EoC that's not so often commented on is the side benefit that it provides to the skilling community.

In particular, by assigning resources to a slot in your action bar you’re able to continue dropping items as they are gathered, thereby increasing your rate of XP per hour.

This video from Regicidal’s YouTube channel gives some great examples of how Mining and Fishing, in particular, are positively affected:

The RuneScape Team

Discuss this here.

[Blackenese]

Looks good makes skills like mining not as bad.

[Fasty]

Awesome; makes it even easier to do annoying skills like Mining now.

[Dappa Don]

Looks ok I guess?

[Xtrm]

I can't wait to try out skilling after the EoC release.

[wolfmon]

Only thing I'm looking forward to in EOC. lol

[Da Bazz]

Might even get 99 fishing and mining now.

[Conv]

I might be able to have the patience to get some skills up now.

[Novaduck]

I don't consider training skills becoming even easier a positive thing

[deguix]

Well, they could have done better such changes earlier without EoC. Without the action bar, they could have added a drop all of that kind option (then again, it wouldn't be as much effective as the action bar is now). Now for crafting... and whatnot, either they could have added a craft all option, or an improvement to the inventory interface to be able to select a group of items (like selecting a group of icons in desktop), and then be able to right click on them to do the crafting of the x number of items (where x is the amount selected).

But an informative interface is not bad. It's just another thing that's going to repeatedly going to appear in front of me.

[Vardarac]

This is the opposite direction they need to be moving in. All this time, the game should have been moving in a direction that makes skilling more challenging and rewarding but also less grindy. Instead, Jagex is making skilling easier to grind. So much for innovative renovation.

Yes, by all means -1 instead of addressing the actual argument.

Edited by Vardarac, 14 November 2012 - 02:15 PM.

[Jaddy]

Vardarac, on 14 November 2012 - 01:32 PM, said:

This is the opposite direction they need to be moving in. All this time, the game should have been moving in a direction that makes skilling more challenging and rewarding but also less grindy. Instead, Jagex is making skilling easier to grind. So much for innovative renovation.

Yes, by all means -1 instead of addressing the actual argument.

while i totally do agree with you, there is an update coming our way planned for december, called player owned ports. i have good hopes that, since this will focus on unlockable (untradeable) 90+ content, this will at least adress the rewarding part of your argument.
myself ive been talking about giving skills a use rather than adding more training methods ever since artisans workshop came out. say nothing about runespan.

on the other hand, there is no way to make a skill where you gain 13 million experience without it getting grindy. even dungeoneering ends up being a grind in the end (even though it is challenging).

Edited by Jaddy, 15 November 2012 - 05:45 AM.

[street b0y]

stink THE WHOLE JAGEX TEAM 5 stinkING YEARS OF MY LIFE GF

[Nott Vaengr]

This is not a complaint but I foresee two problems with this update.

1)  People who achieved a 99 in a skill that required more hands-on working (mouse clicking, etc) will complain that this will cheapen their work and skillcape.

2)  It'll be disgustingly easier for people who bot to use this to achieve a 99 easier and faster.

In a way it does follow the trend of making skilling easier though.  This is a just a continuation of how cutting ivy and Runespan works.  I.e. minimal mouse clicks, somewhat afkable, etc.

[Jaddy]

Nott Vaengr, on 15 November 2012 - 11:47 AM, said:

1)  People who achieved a 99 in a skill that required more hands-on working (mouse clicking, etc) will complain that this will cheapen their work and skillcape.

this hhas been going on ever since the release of effigies and training methods like ivy. if people start complaining now, then there kinda late.

[Vardarac]

Jaddy, on 15 November 2012 - 05:44 AM, said:

on the other hand, there is no way to make a skill where you gain 13 million experience without it getting grindy. even dungeoneering ends up being a grind in the end (even though it is challenging).

Sure there is. There's a reason traditional level-based games with the same basic gameplay are able to command tens of hours of a player's attention, it's because those games able to expand on the presentation of that same content while also giving the player new and more difficult challenges as they advance.

Dungeoneering doesn't accomplish this satisfactorily because its level-based approach introduces only new bosses, and even then on a random basis; through all the levels, there are essentially the same puzzles, the same enemies you've seen before and just need to kill in the same way you'd kill any other enemy, with little thought or regard for that enemies' unique attacking style; the overwhelming lack of difficulty in passing a level; and the need to repeat the series of levels ad nauseum, when what really should have been the case was a save-progress dungeon-crawling addition that required a great dedication of time, effort, and skill to complete and progress through unique levels in a one-off fashion.

What I envision is a system of this kind that could be enacted alongside the current grind-to-win skilling system all the way to level 99 that provides the player with a great deal of incentive with respect to gameplay, XP, and money to engage in these linear but increasingly difficult (sometimes exceedingly so) tasks to reach the top. Skill-based skilling, if you will, where the grind only ever comes from having to repeat the task enough times to succeed at it and not from needing to perform it endlessly to get experience up.

And of course, I say alongside because I cannot imagine the level of bellyaching that would arise if skillers were suddenly forced to engage in the actual tasks that they were doing instead of simply pressing buttons to endlessly repeat their tasks and gain levels. You already see this where fighters are forced to change in the EoC.

Edited by Vardarac, 15 November 2012 - 07:26 PM.

[Jaddy]

amen. nothing to add to that