[Setanta]

Granzi, on 11 February 2010 - 01:20 AM, said:

Setanta, on 10 February 2010 - 12:06 PM, said:

Granzi, on 10 February 2010 - 05:23 AM, said:

-snip-

There is a difference between having an influence on an economy and completely controlling it. That is part of the reason governments are there in the first place, to give support when it is needed. But completely controlling prices in any way they wish like was suggested is ridiculous and taking it way too far. The Soviet Union was the last state to have that kind of system running and it just didn't work. It is all about trying to help the economy without controlling it. Jagex can and should do something, just not the way that was being put forward.

I don't think the poster meant that Jagex should fix prices at a set point. Rather, I believe he's saying that the prices be limited to a certain range. Rather than demand driving GE prices, perhaps supply would be a better option. If there is no supply into the GE, the price shouldn't continue to rise.

Limiting the prices to a certain range would be too much aswell. There are large natural increases too, that can be caused by any number of reasons. That would prevent those, which simply isn't right.

Jagex should in-directly help the economy instead of tampering with the exchange itself. One way to do that would be to get rid of 76k'ing. Directly influencing and capping prices is just a big no-no to me. All Jagex should and need to do is give the economy a push onto the right track.

[Redshuster]

Morbid Urge, on 11 February 2010 - 12:52 PM, said:

Redshuster, on 11 February 2010 - 01:06 PM, said:

Its a legit way of making money. Just because they don't enjoy picking flax like you, doesn't mean they are wrong.

Legit? Tell it to all the players who got scammed by these bottom feeders. I'm sure they would disagree.

You call them bottom feeaders, I say they are smart. If someone honestly believes the people with auto typers saying 'Join this CC, make 15Mil aday", they probably are not old enough or smart enough to be playing without the help of a adult.

Merchanting drives prices up that would normaly continue to fall. Sure it is a hassel trying to buy a item, but then again, why should the game be so easy? With the release of the GE, Jagex made the game so much easier to obtain items its not even funny. Even with people buying out items, its still easier to buy items than it was before. The funniest part of this whole arguement is that the people that got "scammed" or dumped on, were trying to merchant themselves. They have no one to blame but themselves. If they don't want to have this problem, join a private merchant clan.

Its people like you that have honestly ruined the game. Complaing because you are not intelligent enough to figure out that someone is trying to take advantage of you. Jagex has dumbed their game down to the point someone who is mentally challanged could probably play with a relative amount of ease. Graves, Trade warnings, a ditch you must hop over in order to enter the wilderness, ect. I have no doubt that Jagex will nerf merchanting to the point it will not be profitable, it will just be another step in dumbing their game down for people who find a Java game hard to understand.

[Morbid Urge]

Redshuster, on 11 February 2010 - 03:38 PM, said:

Morbid Urge, on 11 February 2010 - 12:52 PM, said:

Redshuster, on 11 February 2010 - 01:06 PM, said:

Its a legit way of making money. Just because they don't enjoy picking flax like you, doesn't mean they are wrong.

Legit? Tell it to all the players who got scammed by these bottom feeders. I'm sure they would disagree.

You call them bottom feeaders, I say they are smart. If someone honestly believes the people with auto typers saying 'Join this CC, make 15Mil aday", they probably are not old enough or smart enough to be playing without the help of a adult.

Merchanting drives prices up that would normaly continue to fall. Sure it is a hassel trying to buy a item, but then again, why should the game be so easy? With the release of the GE, Jagex made the game so much easier to obtain items its not even funny. Even with people buying out items, its still easier to buy items than it was before. The funniest part of this whole arguement is that the people that got "scammed" or dumped on, were trying to merchant themselves. They have no one to blame but themselves. If they don't want to have this problem, join a private merchant clan.

Its people like you that have honestly ruined the game. Complaing because you are not intelligent enough to figure out that someone is trying to take advantage of you. Jagex has dumbed their game down to the point someone who is mentally challanged could probably play with a relative amount of ease. Graves, Trade warnings, a ditch you must hop over in order to enter the wilderness, ect. I have no doubt that Jagex will nerf merchanting to the point it will not be profitable, it will just be another step in dumbing their game down for people who find a Java game hard to understand.

You have made some valid points and most of what you say is true. The part you got dead wrong is when you say "Its people like you that have honestly ruined the game. Complaing because you are not intelligent enough to figure out that someone is trying to take advantage of you." Not intelligent enough? Lol, you don't know me so how can you comment on my level of intelligence? Re-read my post Einstein - I never said I got scammed, ripped or burned in any way from these clans. Actually its quite the opposite, I've made a ton o' cash solo merching. The thing is this; you admitted it yourself that these clans are taking advantage of people, the victims are just "not intelligent enough to figure it out" (as you put it). So you condone scamming? Please - there is one thing you are failing to grasp, the difference between merching and manipulating or should I say between right and wrong.

[Aunt Diarrea]

Redshuster, on 11 February 2010 - 02:38 PM, said:

Morbid Urge, on 11 February 2010 - 12:52 PM, said:

Redshuster, on 11 February 2010 - 01:06 PM, said:

Its a legit way of making money. Just because they don't enjoy picking flax like you, doesn't mean they are wrong.

Legit? Tell it to all the players who got scammed by these bottom feeders. I'm sure they would disagree.

You call them bottom feeaders, I say they are smart. If someone honestly believes the people with auto typers saying 'Join this CC, make 15Mil aday", they probably are not old enough or smart enough to be playing without the help of a adult.

Merchanting drives prices up that would normaly continue to fall. Sure it is a hassel trying to buy a item, but then again, why should the game be so easy? With the release of the GE, Jagex made the game so much easier to obtain items its not even funny. Even with people buying out items, its still easier to buy items than it was before. The funniest part of this whole arguement is that the people that got "scammed" or dumped on, were trying to merchant themselves. They have no one to blame but themselves. If they don't want to have this problem, join a private merchant clan.

Its people like you that have honestly ruined the game. Complaing because you are not intelligent enough to figure out that someone is trying to take advantage of you. Jagex has dumbed their game down to the point someone who is mentally challanged could probably play with a relative amount of ease. Graves, Trade warnings, a ditch you must hop over in order to enter the wilderness, ect. I have no doubt that Jagex will nerf merchanting to the point it will not be profitable, it will just be another step in dumbing their game down for people who find a Java game hard to understand.

Exactly. I had a bunch of cactus spines saved up, hoping to get 4.6k per each someday, but I noticed that they were merchanted at 8k each, so I dumped all mine at the right time and made a few mil before they crashed

And that, my friends, is called opportunity.

Plus, whatever is being bought out at GE you can trade for the old way- wander around the world 2 market around GE and shout out what it is you want to buy or sell

Merchant clans are annoying, but they represent the human element of the game, and restricting the GE further would make RS suck even more.

This post has been edited by Aunt Diarrea: 11 February 2010 - 03:44 PM

[amar]

Morbid Urge, on 10 February 2010 - 09:23 AM, said:

Spoken like a true mercher, and from the sounds of it ranked in a clan.

Merching clans are wrong in every way, shape and form. There is no benefit to the game because of them.

The sad fact is Jagex will never stop the merch clans from operating. Reason being, the lure of easy money keeps people playing. Take away the "get something for nothing" lure and alot people (merchers) will quit. If people quit, Jagex's profits plummet. Hence, the clans are here to stay.

Jagex fails in regards to merching clans, as do the clans themselves and all who defend them.

Obviously there are benefits if prices of items are fluctuating, people who had the items before the set-merch will profit, whereas everyone else who didn't wont. You're just crying because you've been on the losing end one too many times [even though the prices regress back to their normal state, if they didn't then it's not because they were being merched... it's because an update or something external affected the item in some way]. Oh, and your theory for why Jagex wont do anything about merching clans is completely stupid. It may seem like there are lots of people merching with clans but in reality there's a little amount, it's just the fact that a small group of people can manipulate the prices in GE quite easily, given that they have a large sum of cash between them. In reality merching clans are a minority, and I honestly don't see how they would 1) quit RS [they would most likely turn to other alternatives] 2) how that would affect Jagex's profit. Now, could it be that Jagex doesn't do anything about merching clans because they realise the only solution isn't going to work [stable GE prices - which don't go up or down] and because this price-manipulation rant has more holes than a giant colander?

Morbid Urge, on 10 February 2010 - 09:23 AM, said:

Get a job and EARN your money.

This is where you lost me completely.

[Morbid Urge]

amar™, on 12 February 2010 - 12:47 PM, said:

You're just crying because you've been on the losing end one too many times...

Crying? LOL, my bank value is approaching 1B, half of which came from out merching the merching clans. They are the ones I target.

As far as me being on the losing end too many times. Afraid not, I have never lost on a single merch. Broke even a time or two but never lost a dime. I do my homework before investing and I never panic.

[Anti Rob]

Morbid Urge, on 12 February 2010 - 12:49 PM, said:

amar™, on 12 February 2010 - 12:47 PM, said:

You're just crying because you've been on the losing end one too many times...

Crying? LOL, my bank value is approaching 1B, half of which came from out merching the merching clans. They are the ones I target.

As far as me being on the losing end too many times. Afraid not, I have never lost on a single merch. Broke even a time or two but never lost a dime. I do my homework before investing and I never panic.

lo are we supposed to applaud or something?
if people aren't smart enough to figure out its a scam, then so be it. Life sucks for people who don't/can't think for themselves, try to figure things out (like making cash) and resort to constantly looking for help making money.

If Jagex aren't doing something, then have fun continuing to complain

[amar]

Morbid Urge, on 12 February 2010 - 12:49 PM, said:

amar™, on 12 February 2010 - 12:47 PM, said:

You're just crying because you've been on the losing end one too many times...

Crying? LOL, my bank value is approaching 1B, half of which came from out merching the merching clans. They are the ones I target.

As far as me being on the losing end too many times. Afraid not, I have never lost on a single merch. Broke even a time or two but never lost a dime. I do my homework before investing and I never panic.

So instead of you being a victim you actually worsen the situation by exploiting the items even further. Thanks for clearing that up and sorry for the misunderstanding.

[Morbid Urge]

Anti Rob, on 12 February 2010 - 02:25 PM, said:

lol
you're not hurting the merching clan leaders, you're hurting the people who hold the items longer

but grats on being a scammer

So I should stand back and let the leaders make all the money? Don't think so.

No I'm not hurting the leaders, just cutting into their profits.

Scammer? According to those who have defended merch clans in this thread (Um - you being one of them), this isn't scamming. So which is it Anti-Rob, make up your mind already - scamming or not? I guess it depends on what better fits your argument huh? LOL.

BTW, The method I use has nothing to do with how long someone holds onto an item. You don't have a clue as to how I operate so please don't try to comment on it.

This post has been edited by Morbid Urge: 12 February 2010 - 01:41 PM

[Anti Rob]

Morbid Urge, on 12 February 2010 - 01:37 PM, said:

Anti Rob, on 12 February 2010 - 02:25 PM, said:

lol
you're not hurting the merching clan leaders, you're hurting the people who hold the items longer

but grats on being a scammer

So I should stand back and let the leaders make all the money? Don't think so.

No I'm not hurting the leaders, just cutting into their profits.

Scammer? According to those who have defended merch clans in this thread (Um - you being one of them), this isn't scamming. So which is it Anti-Rob, make up your mind already - scamming or not? I guess it depends on what better fits your argument huh? LOL.

BTW, The method I use has nothing to do with how long someone holds onto an item. You don't have a clue as to how I operate so please don't try to comment on it.

are you incapable of reading or comprehending english?
1. You're not hurting the leader's profits. Even if you were, grats on making them lose 50k.
2. I called you a scammer for scamming other scammers, yes this makes you a scammer too.
3. Yes the method you use does affect the people holding items longer.

anyways go learn to read someone's post first

[Andrew]

Redshuster, on 11 February 2010 - 03:38 PM, said:

You call them bottom feeaders, I say they are smart.

If I were "smart" enough to hack into your account for your valuables, would you feel the same way?

The degree in severity may be different but the principle is the same; simply because it takes a bit of thinking doesn't make it right.

[labs ftw]

I think merching clans are highly convesal.

First most of the people end up losing money. Because of this i hope that most people have figured out that mechanting clans are not a good thing 2 give there money 2.

on the other hand all though price manipulation is fairly anoyying I think it has a rubber band effect so the price eventually drops back again. I also think that merchanting clans are somtimes thought the cause of inflation. imo inflation was caused by 76/26k trickers,alchers, and coinshare @ GWD(although 2 are legit while the other imo is not).

Beacause of this i am not against merch clans (unless they are merching somthing that i want) but i think that people should realise investing w/ them is throwing there
money away.

[Nav1100]

Hate them, they are basically ruining runescape as a whole by buying/selling items. It just makes the whole economy unstable and something has to be done to stop them.

[Setanta]

Nav1100, on 14 February 2010 - 01:14 AM, said:

Hate them, they are basically ruining runescape as a whole by buying/selling items. It just makes the whole economy unstable and something has to be done to stop them.

Well you see, that is all they are doing. Buying and selling items. That's not a crime. The only reason people don't like them is because they have either been involved with one and lost money or simply can't get an item they want. I have no pity for the people that were involved and lost money since they too were trying to "scam" people, they just got scammed first. As for the people who can't get something they want, that is only a short term problem. Sure, it is a genuine inconvenience but it passes rather quickly. Merchanting clans are not making the economy unstable, they simply can't. All they can do is have an influence over a single item for no more than a week. The only real problem with the economy is the long term inflation that comes with 76k'ing.

[Infinite Aon]

I believe merchanting clans are a big problem. It should be noted in the last few Q&As that Jagex has acknowledged the problem and said they might be providing a fix for it over the summer.

[Alc Jr]

amar, on 12 February 2010 - 11:47 AM, said:

In reality merching clans are a minority

Setanta, on 14 February 2010 - 05:31 AM, said:

The only reason people don't like them is because they have either been involved with one and lost money or simply can't get an item they want.

Thank you both for proving a good point- This is a small group of people managing to create a large outcry within the RuneScape community, therefore it would not be harmful to remove as it would only effect a small group of very wealthy players.

[Kermit_MUFC]

What merch clans are doing isn't particularly 'wrong', but is extremely frustrating if someone is after the same item for say, a quest for example, and cannot get it due to the overwhelming demand from M.clans. It sucks.


It doesn't directly anger me as such, but it has to be said that Jagex MUST do something about bots/macros. It is so frustrating, annoying, repetitive and quite simply sad, seeing:

"JOIN MAD MARKS MONEY MAKING CLAN, MAKE 500m PER DAY!!!"
(For Example)

Plastered all over the chat area every 2.5 seconds.
We're trying to trade here for crying out loud!

DO ONE!