[libum1]

well, been wanting to write a useful tip for a while but didnt come up with anything original - viper put the corp tip (and tbh i dont really want more people knowing how to corp properly :P).
anyways, someone asked about lsp in questions forum, and i spent 5 mins writing it out for him then figured mite as well post here too, as so many people do not have a good understanding of how the system works, even many of my 130+ friends.

so:
if you havnt lsed for a while, your lsp is generally 0. every drop you miss (be it worth 100 gp or 100m gp) adds to your lsp. pretend you coinshared an item worth 1100 gp mid in ge, 1000 min. each person would receive 200 gp, and the item would be put in ge for 1.1k (and would lower/raise if it did not sell right away, as the price fluctuated).
now for lootshare, whoever gets the actual drop gets the full 1.1k worth (1k at min). every person there (including the person who received the drop) gets lsp equivalent to what the coinshare split would have been (200 gp), though the person that got the drop also loses the value of the item (so +200 gp lsp minus 1k gp lsp). so, 100m (min) item 5 man you'd gain 20m lsp, etc, and person who got drop would +20 -100 = -80m lsp.
now, lsp has been confirmed to move towards zero by 10% daily (mod posts on rsof when jagexl updated ls system). this is 10% of your current lsp. so take for example the person who received this 100m drop, is now -80m lsp. the first day, assuming their lsp doesnt change from use, it goes towards zero 8m lsp (10%). the next day they have -72m lsp, so they move 7.2m towards 0. if this continued for a week, their lsp would have gone down to ~39m, which is at a rate of ~52%/week.
if you have negative lsp, you cannot, ever receive a drop over 2 people with higher lsp then you in the cc. the 2 highest lsp in a clan chat (or duo) generally receive the most loot, while anyone else with positive/zero lsp can (and does) receive drops (ex. 6 man corp the other night, 0 lsp guy got spectral over 100m, 70m, 70m, 40m lsps). if you are negative, you cant get loots, unless of course you are one of the top 2 lsps. so: if on a team of 5 people, lsps are 5m, -1m, -1.1m, -5m, only the 5m and -1m person can receive loot, the others cannot ever. if team of 6, 4 people have 0 lsp, one has 5m lsp, one has -5m lsp, the -5m cannot ever get loots while everyone else can, though the 5m lsp generally gets more (bigger the difference, more dominance).

in conclusion, if you miss a drop and gain lsp, its ideal to continue using lsp daily, or you're wasting it. another way to think is: between a group of 5 friends, csing an item gains the team 100m bank value. if you lsed instead, at the moment of the drop, the team as a whole has already gained 100m, and 4 of the people have 20m lsp which can be used in other teams for higher chances of drop/payoff which is all extra profit. the person who received the drop (if its a large drop) is now negative lsp, so should either cs or go do something else, but they're gaining all that value back for doing nothing half that value a week. when they get to 5-20m lsp (depending monster hunted) its easier to just go raise it via missing a drop, but this is much more productive. example appying to me: 5 of us friends corping, one gets elly sigil free 400m. if cs would ahve been 400m, end of story. it wasnt, so the 1 person goes cs/skills for a month, the rest of us all went corp masses, and obtained 2 other elysians and 2 arcanes between the 4 of us. this, with the small loots, equated to approx 4x the value of the original drop, and then we could still go coinshare anyways with all -lsp.

[Michael6810]

Thanks Kiwi!

[Crush]

Thanks for writing this Libum, I'm sure it'll help clear up this matter for a lot of people .

[Aragon]

Wow, great tip. Thanks for explaining the whole LSP system Libum

[Lmomjian]

That you, I never knew about this thing either I would +1 but I am maxed for the day, so here are some substitutes:

[libum1]

oh. glad this is so well appreciated :)

[Redshift]

This helps a lot I never fully understood how much you got when you missed a drop. +1

[Sir Guffy]

I don't agree with a lot of this, do you have any facts to back up some of the sayings? I know I have been in a group with negative LSP and still got a drop over people with high lsp.

This post has been edited by Sir Guffy: 17 December 2009 - 10:56 PM

[Tay]

+1 for you! Great tip. Thanks a lot.

[libum1]

Sir Guffy, on 17 December 2009 - 08:54 PM, said:

I don't agree with a lot of this, do you have any facts to back up some of the sayings? I know I have been in a group with negative LSP and still got a drop over people with high lsp.

i do have facts, though i dont have the screenshots lol. about ~8 months? ago when they updated the ls system, some better-known jagex mods posted on RSOF because so many people were asking for some confirmations. the rest of the info was just straight from knowledge base, all of this has been checked with my own experiences as well though, but all that i wrote is straight from jagex/jmod posts.
either you're calculation lsp wrong, or you were still top 2 lsp even with negative lsp in the group. this is one of the easiest rules to prove, i went arma 3 man for ~100 kills last week with approx -10m lsp and didnt receive a single green piece of loot till after missing the 2 plates and one had teled.

[Stokenut]

Most of what you said has been confirmed by Mod Ash.
This was posted on TSG forums 2 days ago.

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Mod Ash
Jagex Mod

14-Dec-2009 09:37:02
I've spoken to the Jmod who wrote the lootshare system. It seems we originally didn't announce very much detail of how its math works. Anyway, here's a bit more info...
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1. Does LootShare Go by 24hrs of Game-play or by each 24hr day go's bye?

Roughly speaking, 24hr day goes by.
Suppose I have 10000 lootshare points on Sunday.
The first time I log in on Monday, it'll be reduced by 10% to 9000.
The first time I log in on Tuesday, it'll be reduced by 10% to 8100.
Etc.
If I don't log in on Monday, the first time I log in on Tuesday it'll be reduced by 10% twice, taking it to 8100 immediately.
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2. How Does CoinShare Effect you later on when you change to LootShare teams?
how does it count when you get a rare drop on CoinShare?

When an item is dropped...
... via lootshare, members of the group get lootshare points. One lucky person is given the item, and their lootshare points are reduced by its value.
... via coinshare, members of the group get coins. Their lootshare points are not affected.
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3. Why Do Players with no Loot-Share normaly get the rare drop?

Each drop is *most likely* to go to the player with the highest number of lootshare points. However everyone in the group has a chance of getting every drop.
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6. What is the rate of LSP lOST each day how much Coins?
When not being used.

10% of whatever you've got. See my answer to question 1 for more details.
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4. how does a large drop affect LSP, Does it merely reset at 0 or go negative as widely rumuored?

It goes negative.
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5. On a duo 120m hilt, how much would the person who doesnt recieve it, how much lsp would he get?

Let %X = value of items being dropped.
Let %N = number of people in the lootshare.
Each player gets (%X / %N) lootshare points.
One person then has %X lootshare points deducted from their total, and they get the drop.
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6. If there really is negative LSP, is it only negative to an extent?

RuneScape's numbers always have caps if they try to go too high or too low.

We set the system to warn us if a player ever gets HALF-WAY to the maximum or minimum caps. These warnings haven't been coming up, so I'm pretty confident that no-one's ever gone anywhere near the caps.

Off topic: Now I got 99 slayer I'm getting back into corp. PM me if you ever wanna duo or small man ls.

This post has been edited by Stokenut: 18 December 2009 - 12:37 AM

[libum1]

wow, thats awesome, hadnt seen that. prettymuch same thing they said on forums a year ago, but even a touch more specific. and nice even though i had -400m lsp it wasnt capped, so its obv just for glitches. interesting they have stuff like that. thanks for posting, helps me confirm for doubters.

offtopic: join #ofthegods, 5-7 manning seems like alot but its much more productive and less effort, avg 20+ kills/h 6 manning, its guaranteed sigils. ol/turmoil teams no bobs, ~15 avg a trip or so.

edit: only different part is says -10% when not being used. unspecific, like does that mean if you ls a single rat kill in a day then it doesnt reduce that day or wut? :P

This post has been edited by libum1: 18 December 2009 - 01:46 AM

[si1ver lion]

I thought I knew how LSP worked, maybe not Very nice tip , although it would only work when the opportunity for drops occurs. My luck says that'll never happen

Very nice tip though, I'm also tempted to save this onto my notepad so I don't have to go trenching through the archives in months come.

[Sir Guffy]

libum1, on 18 December 2009 - 05:45 AM, said:

Sir Guffy, on 17 December 2009 - 08:54 PM, said:

I don't agree with a lot of this, do you have any facts to back up some of the sayings? I know I have been in a group with negative LSP and still got a drop over people with high lsp.

i do have facts, though i dont have the screenshots lol. about ~8 months? ago when they updated the ls system, some better-known jagex mods posted on RSOF because so many people were asking for some confirmations. the rest of the info was just straight from knowledge base, all of this has been checked with my own experiences as well though, but all that i wrote is straight from jagex/jmod posts.
either you're calculation lsp wrong, or you were still top 2 lsp even with negative lsp in the group. this is one of the easiest rules to prove, i went arma 3 man for ~100 kills last week with approx -10m lsp and didnt receive a single green piece of loot till after missing the 2 plates and one had teled.

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Each drop is *most likely* to go to the player with the highest number of lootshare points. However everyone in the group has a chance of getting every drop.

Based on what that Mod wrote, everyone has a chance, although the higher the LSP the higher the chance.

[Anti Rob]

thanks helps a lot

[libum1]

Sir Guffy, on 18 December 2009 - 02:43 AM, said:

Based on what that Mod wrote, everyone has a chance, although the higher the LSP the higher the chance.

and im disagreeing, just because a mod posted, wht he said didnt contradict what i said. as i mentioned previously, twice, some of this was mentioned on forums when they changed the ls system.
anyways, i know im right and i've confirmed it, otherwise i wouldnt be posting it. feel free to believe as you like, we can agree to disagree.
edit: of all rules to argue against anyways... KB explanations and mod posts are hardly necessary, many active monsterhunters that use LS had figured this one out anyways.

This post has been edited by libum1: 19 December 2009 - 12:34 AM

[Vo runz rs]

thanks for clearing this up i remember back when ls was introduced it confused so many people

[lil emo]

so thats how it works i'm confused tho then agian i'm always confused

[norway_boy66]

Hey. Thanks for the info about Lsp. I got a new theory too.
Havent you heard someone say "i had a break form rs, came back and got a dragon claw drop! way to start!" or anything other amazing drop. I myself had a break from rs for ca two months, when i came back i bought bandos solo gear with my money, and got a bandos hilt on my second solo kill. Next time i quit about a month, when i came back i startes on my abbys slay task, i got whip on the first kill. You can say this all is covincidence. I dont like to think so. I think that jagex gives you "Lsp" when your taking a break..so if you ever start playing again you naturally get more psyked to continue playing if you get a good drop in the start.

I was wondering what your thoughts around this was

[iDrew]

I've never knew how it works until now :thumbsup
Thanks Libum +1'ed