[Hachette]

Let me some this up;

Being rich on runescape, just comes over time. hard work and dedication. Even if you 76K'd for money, you still have to stand there for 2 hours to Gain the EP.

Even if your a hacker/scammer whatever you are its all down to hard work AKA no lifeing on an online game.

[Devils Jig]

Arno, on 03 November 2009 - 07:18 PM, said:

Yes, if you settle for mediocrity, that is a bad thing. I'm not advocating the rich upper class, I'm advocating the kind of people who continuously strive to improve, as humans, as students, as members of a society. So when you are not capable of improvement, you are kind of doomed to settle for mediocrity

I disagree. Im all with striving to achieve what you want in life, but wanting to achieve nothing other then enjoying the time you have seems perfect to me. And not being capable of improvement doesn't necessarily mean being 'doomed to settle for mediocrity', if one has achieved exactly what they aimed to do, improving on that wouldn't be possible, but doesn't necessarily mean mediocrity..

Arno, on 03 November 2009 - 07:18 PM, said:

If the best you can say is "meh, I'm fine with this." or "I'm not going to bother", you won't get anywhere in this life. It's an illusion that being mediocre and being the underdog is in anyway a "good thing"

I also disagree with this. I don't define "Getting somewhere in life" as being wealthy, successful or well liked. Im happy to settle with average in regards to those mentioned if i can positively impact those in my life. As a part in the marijuana decriminalization process, i value honesty, intelligence and the willingness to learn. Due to the lifestyle choices i have made, im forced into the 'Underdog' role, Being an Atheist AND a marijuana consier im hated by a large majority of this world, i don't deem it as a bad thing, im proud of who i am and respect those who like me will choose to live in a way they are happy with regardless of outside persecution.

This post has been edited by Devils Jig: 07 November 2009 - 07:38 AM

[Nick-]

It all depends on what the individual wants to achieve.

I personally built my wealth on fishing, Aviansies camping (before it became popular) and to some extent, PKing and Godwars. All these factors were attributed to my clan's event system, and integrated well with my main ambition of having fun first and foremost. With a few hours of game time a night and a bit of luck, my activity was enough to push my bank up and over any expectations I originally had.

If we're getting technical, my road to wealth was a mixture of consistent money making and probable money making.

[Christmas]

Those statistics don't allow for enough reality. People don't play the same amount consistently, switch between goals, play inefficiently, give up, etc. And monsters drops and such aren't really based on luck. Luck merely determines when a drop will be attained. Many who seem to get lucky drops plentifully have worked hard for those. First, they need to get the levels to be effective. And then they have to spend hours and hours killing the boss. Eventually, everyone's "luck" is about even. There's a set drop rate, luck is merely whether you get the drop on the 1st or 1000th kill.
~The

PkedFoSho, on 06 November 2009 - 09:43 PM, said:

First off, if you consider it luck that a member of your family dies and you get money from it, then you're an douche.

Not like one chooses for a family member or friend to die. If they left money to you, they wanted you to have it. You take the inheritance, and try to honor that person's memory.

[Kandarin]

I'm entirely aware of methods that would make me very rich in Runescape if I just invested the time and attention. I don't use them. This is not because I don't value hard work; it is because I have other things that I would rather be working on that are more important to me.

I am a very casual player who plays Runescape to have fun. My personal idea of fun is following people around, talking to them and getting to know them. It has little to do with levels or wealth, and so I am quite satisfied with a modest amount of both. Attaining a very high level or a vast amount of wealth has never appealed to me, and so I don't do those things even though I'm quite aware of how I could go about doing them. I am sorry to hear if that makes me lazy or mediocre in the eyes of some people, but pleasing those people was never my reason for being here.

[Wriste13]

There is also the matter of patience. Patience is a virtue, and it's also very difficult to maintain.

In theory, anything is possible, but there is also the human factor. If we had a machine working the controls, and not some boring old human, your figures would be correct. But players are distracted and they often let their mind wander. Two hours a day playing the same motions staring dumbly at a computer screen is going to be snore-worthy no matter what figures you give it. I was gunning for 99 hunter just recently, and I made a valiant effort, making it to 83 hunter and gaining 7 million in chinchompas - a nice addition to my wealth. However, I simply couldn't take the monotony.

Hard work is hard, yes, but it doesn't have to be monotonous. That's why people don't have 99 runecrafting, not because they aren't determined, it's just that you can't play a game doing something so boring for so long. Imagine if you were playing a first-person fighter game, and you had to kill 10,000 of the same guy to get a trophy - that'd be pretty boring.

99 runecrafting isn't as simple as your K.I.S.S. explanation puts it, and neither is anything else. Getting 99s are ultimately boring and monotonous, because Jagex built it that way, and people will go in small steps rather than large ones. Besides, I play the game for fun, not for boring.

[Maxman]

RuneScape has always had players that wanted it the easy way. Back in mid '07, it was scamming/hacking, as it was easy to be done. Now, in mid '08 to current time, it's 76king. Why has the inflation of items and armor gone increasingly up? It's because players want the easy way to make money, and 76king is the solution to the problem.

Again, working hard isn't what most players do to make their easy-earned cash; it's what they do and how easy it is to get it. 76king requires no skill at all, to be quite frank. All you need is a partner and a few hour(s) of AFKing. You'll get money instantly.

[rubberduck]

I rewrote the original post because it started topics that where aside from my central point. Hope it helps!

[Cirque]

Focusing on one skill, has always been something I've failed at, hence why my cash pile is teeny tiny! although I know a couple people, who when free trade was leaving, inherited sums of money in the couple hundreds of millions from retiring friends. I myself got a santa!

[Seed Smoker]

As everything else, there are a countless number of factors to take into consideration when trying to determine the causes of something. Trying to narrow something as complicated as earning one's wealth into a measly three points is folly, in my opinion.

[bolshevik]

Seed Smoker, on 09 November 2009 - 01:34 AM, said:

As everything else, there are a countless number of factors to take into consideration when trying to determine the causes of something. Trying to narrow something as complicated as earning one's wealth into a measly three points is folly, in my opinion.

True, there are a lot more aspects you have to take into consideration, in order to show how people make money. But the three elements that have been given, are the three basics for money-making, a decent representation of what the author is trying to show.

[rubberduck]

Seed Smoker, on 09 November 2009 - 01:34 AM, said:

As everything else, there are a countless number of factors to take into consideration when trying to determine the causes of something. Trying to narrow something as complicated as earning one's wealth into a measly three points is folly, in my opinion.

Well i would like to respect your option, but it is not the same one I have.

Your statement is DH02, not very convincing.

If you could gave me more factors to prove its more complicated then please do so.
And Thank you Bolshevik for the support

This post has been edited by rubberduck: 09 November 2009 - 12:47 AM

[Seed Smoker]

rubberduck, on 09 November 2009 - 01:45 AM, said:

Seed Smoker, on 09 November 2009 - 01:34 AM, said:

As everything else, there are a countless number of factors to take into consideration when trying to determine the causes of something. Trying to narrow something as complicated as earning one's wealth into a measly three points is folly, in my opinion.

Well i would like to respect your option, but it is not the same one I have.

Your statement is DH02, not very convincing.

If you could gave me more factors to prove its more complicated then please do so.
And Thank you Bolshevik for the support

DH02 isn't listed on that chart. Anyhow, thanks for trying to teach me a lesson in argument, although I don't believe I need one. What you are attempting to do is give general reasons for which people become wealthy, but those are not all of the factors which determine how a person's wealth ends up. For example, a person's upbringing which instills into them their qualities, one of which possibly being hardworking. Another factor to consider is that person's education. Knowledge of economics, for example, is very helpful in earning money. You can even go farther back and consider the factors which led to that person coming about into existence, and so on and so forth. There are a finite amount of factors, but countless to us.

Do you disagree?

EDIT:

I may be looking at this in too much depth. Guidelines for becoming rich... I'm sure you're right, that is, that it's possible to become wealthy via the points you've listed. But, surely you don't disagree with me here, there are more ways by which one can obtain wealth.

This post has been edited by Seed Smoker: 09 November 2009 - 01:05 AM

[rubberduck]

Seed Smoker, on 09 November 2009 - 02:03 AM, said:

rubberduck, on 09 November 2009 - 01:45 AM, said:

Seed Smoker, on 09 November 2009 - 01:34 AM, said:

As everything else, there are a countless number of factors to take into consideration when trying to determine the causes of something. Trying to narrow something as complicated as earning one's wealth into a measly three points is folly, in my opinion.

Well i would like to respect your option, but it is not the same one I have.

Your statement is DH02, not very convincing.

If you could gave me more factors to prove its more complicated then please do so.
And Thank you Bolshevik for the support

DH02 isn't listed on that chart. Anyhow, thanks for trying to teach me a lesson in argument, although I don't believe I need one. What you are attempting to do is give general reasons for which people become wealthy, but those are not all of the factors which determine how a person's wealth ends up. For example, a person's upbringing which instills into them their qualities, one of which possibly being hardworking. Another factor to consider is that person's education. Knowledge of economics, for example, is very helpful in earning money. You can even go farther back and consider the factors which led to that person coming about into existence, and so on and so forth. There are a finite amount of factors, but countless to us.

Do you disagree?

EDIT:

I may be looking at this in too much depth. Guidelines for becoming rich... I'm sure you're right, that is, that it's possible to become wealthy via the points you've listed. But, surely you don't disagree with me here, there are more ways by which one can obtain wealth.

I don't intend to insult or demean in anyway so I hope you don't take it as such. I'm going to have to disagree with you though because what I still believe it falls down to those three things.

I wanted to keep it in the relm of runescape but that will be alright.
I will go more in depth with examples to why I think those 3 things are the only ones.

1. Dishonesty would include: cheating, stealing, scams. this one is pretty stright foward.
2. Luck, i found these tho things to deiscribe luck: T'hat which happens to a person; an event, good or ill, affecting one's interests or happiness, and which is deemed casual; a course or series of such events regarded as occurring by chance; chance; hap; fate; fortune; often, one's habitual or characteristic fortune; as, good, bad, ill, or hard luck. Luck is often used by itself to mean good luck; as, luck is better than skill; a stroke of luck.' And this aswell 'Luck is a belief in good or bad fortune in life caused by accident or chance which happens beyond a person's control.'

You can not control how you are brought up in life, nor the things that surroucnd you therefore I believe your upbringing is considered luck, good or ill its still luck. Luck could include gifts, winning something, stocks doing good....

3.Work: Well I would believe that going to college would be considered work, and anyform of knowledge gain is work so that too is not outside thse three basic guidelines.



Ask yourself these questions when considering if something falling into these 3 things: dishonesty, luck, work:

1. Was someone at a personal lost when you gained this money?
A: that would be dishonesty

2. Did you gain this wealth by means of those you didn't control?
A: that would be luck

3. Did you have to put some type of effort, at one point to gain wealth?
A. that would be work.

You seem like a very reasonal and nice person and I am not disagreeing with you to just disagree with you, i truly believe that there are only those they methods. Is it possable that there are more...sure... but I'm unware of any at this moment.

[Seed Smoker]

rubberduck, on 09 November 2009 - 02:39 AM, said:

Seed Smoker, on 09 November 2009 - 02:03 AM, said:

rubberduck, on 09 November 2009 - 01:45 AM, said:

Seed Smoker, on 09 November 2009 - 01:34 AM, said:

As everything else, there are a countless number of factors to take into consideration when trying to determine the causes of something. Trying to narrow something as complicated as earning one's wealth into a measly three points is folly, in my opinion.

Well i would like to respect your option, but it is not the same one I have.

Your statement is DH02, not very convincing.

If you could gave me more factors to prove its more complicated then please do so.
And Thank you Bolshevik for the support

DH02 isn't listed on that chart. Anyhow, thanks for trying to teach me a lesson in argument, although I don't believe I need one. What you are attempting to do is give general reasons for which people become wealthy, but those are not all of the factors which determine how a person's wealth ends up. For example, a person's upbringing which instills into them their qualities, one of which possibly being hardworking. Another factor to consider is that person's education. Knowledge of economics, for example, is very helpful in earning money. You can even go farther back and consider the factors which led to that person coming about into existence, and so on and so forth. There are a finite amount of factors, but countless to us.

Do you disagree?

EDIT:

I may be looking at this in too much depth. Guidelines for becoming rich... I'm sure you're right, that is, that it's possible to become wealthy via the points you've listed. But, surely you don't disagree with me here, there are more ways by which one can obtain wealth.

I don't intend to insult or demean in anyway so I hope you don't take it as such. I'm going to have to disagree with you though because what I still believe it falls down to those three things.

I wanted to keep it in the relm of runescape but that will be alright.
I will go more in depth with examples to why I think those 3 things are the only ones.

1. Dishonesty would include: cheating, stealing, scams. this one is pretty stright foward.
2. Luck, i found these tho things to deiscribe luck: T'hat which happens to a person; an event, good or ill, affecting one's interests or happiness, and which is deemed casual; a course or series of such events regarded as occurring by chance; chance; hap; fate; fortune; often, one's habitual or characteristic fortune; as, good, bad, ill, or hard luck. Luck is often used by itself to mean good luck; as, luck is better than skill; a stroke of luck.' And this aswell 'Luck is a belief in good or bad fortune in life caused by accident or chance which happens beyond a person's control.'

You can not control how you are brought up in life, nor the things that surroucnd you therefore I believe your upbringing is considered luck, good or ill its still luck. Luck could include gifts, winning something, stocks doing good....

3.Work: Well I would believe that going to college would be considered work, and anyform of knowledge gain is work so that too is not outside thse three basic guidelines.



Ask yourself these questions when considering if something falling into these 3 things: dishonesty, luck, work:

1. Was someone at a personal lost when you gained this money?
A: that would be dishonesty

2. Did you gain this wealth by means of those you didn't control?
A: that would be luck

3. Did you have to put some type of effort, at one point to gain wealth?
A. that would be work.

You seem like a very reasonal and nice person and I am not disagreeing with you to just disagree with you, i truly believe that there are only those they methods. Is it possable that there are more...sure... but I'm unware of any at this moment.

I'm very tired and thinking right now is kind of difficult. I'm also sick with the flu or something. *Sigh* I'll get back to you on this, otherwise good luck with your thread. :)

EDIT:

A thought just occurred to me, however. There are two views on how the Universe functions: (a) completely deterministically, (b) partially deterministically and partially based on mere chance. In the latter view, there is room for your category of chance or luck. However, in the former view, that is determinism, there is no luck, no chance, no randomness, which would exclude the formerly mentioned category.

I'm digressing a bit here, and am not adding on factors but arguing against one, but I just wanted to see what you thought.

This post has been edited by Seed Smoker: 09 November 2009 - 02:30 AM

[rubberduck]

determinism is a brick wall I would like not to bang my head aganist right now. As for you being sick, eat alot of chicken noodle soup, orange juice and sleep plently. I hope you get well!

I'm sure you will get a pm from me on my thoughts on determinism/free will/luck within a day or so, you intrudced a new idea to me i never knew so I have a lot of thinking to do!

This post has been edited by rubberduck: 09 November 2009 - 03:13 AM

[Varken9]

I don't think you need to work hard in Runscape to get rich. It is a game, you need to have fun. You didn't define rich, is it having good skills? having a lot of money? having a big friendlist? If you just play as you like it you will get rich eventually, with some luck, but you're right that's one of your other methods of getting rich. Anyway I just want to say that I think that the sentence "work hard and get rich" is a bit, ...., Of course if you work hard you get rich, but what about the people that work hard and get no-where? You might say work harder or something,..., but what if someone works his whole life extremely hard and managed to achieve nothing. Then he died, ..., you all think he died to soon or the sentence "work hard and get rich" isn't always true, ... Sometimes its better to settle for mediocrity I think. Not settling leads to obsession which is a bad thing again. Life is just about balance.

I agree with the first post about the 3 ways to get rich :). But I don't see work as an irritating shore but as having fun and gathering money in a way that is fun for you :).

P.S: Runecrafting is an easy skill :P

[rubberduck]

Varken9, on 09 November 2009 - 05:23 AM, said:

I don't think you need to work hard in Runscape to get rich. It is a game, you need to have fun. You didn't define rich, is it having good skills? having a lot of money? having a big friendlist? If you just play as you like it you will get rich eventually, with some luck, but you're right that's one of your other methods of getting rich. Anyway I just want to say that I think that the sentence "work hard and get rich" is a bit, ...., Of course if you work hard you get rich, but what about the people that work hard and get no-where? You might say work harder or something,..., but what if someone works his whole life extremely hard and managed to achieve nothing. Then he died, ..., you all think he died to soon or the sentence "work hard and get rich" isn't always true, ... Sometimes its better to settle for mediocrity I think. Not settling leads to obsession which is a bad thing again. Life is just about balance.

I agree with the first post about the 3 ways to get rich :). But I don't see work as an irritating shore but as having fun and gathering money in a way that is fun for you :).

P.S: Runecrafting is an easy skill :P

I would have to agree with you that some people will work hard their whole life and never become wealthly. When I say rich I mean in terms of currency. My advice to the man that keeps working hard and getting noting might be to 'work smarter, not harder' rather than 'work just alittle harder'.

As an example, a real life lumberjack works extreamly hard, but a CEO of main street dosn't work nearly as hard in phycial terms but who makes more money? Overall having fun is the most important thing. Lucky for me I agree with you that runecrafting is not only easy but fun!