[rubberduck]

I believe that a lot of people are misunderstanding the point I’m attempting to make with this post, so I have changed the content extensively

Warning!!! These are my guidelines to getting rich, and that’s all. Other may be different and possibility better.

I’ve always been told there are only 3 ways to obtain wealth.
1. Dishonesty
2. Luck
3. Work

Hard work is used by far way more than dishonestly and luck to obtain wealth.

So what do I believe is hard work? Hard work consists of following these three ideas.

1. Saving your money.
2. Use your time wisely.
3. Don’t give up.

1. Saving you money can easily be what keeps most people from obtaining large amounts of wealth, someone that gains money through ‘X’ method but wastes it before he has a chance to buy anything with it will always be poor.

2. The key is time management: if you’re logged in be active. Instead of talking to someone in the bank talk to them while you’re doing something productive. If you have a tendency of talking a lot when you first log in you might want to consider logging out around ‘X’ so that you can multi-task and gain wealth even when talking.

3. Never Give Up!

Replace ‘X’ with any money making method.

In response to my post please DON’T mention:
-Real life references (I’m guilty of doing such however this is Runescape GD)
-Please don't suggest ways of money making or how you obtained wealth unless it better supports your central point.
-That Runescape is a game and should be played for fun: we know that and some people thing making money is fun.

Example of bad responses: People have to get an education to make money buy being things like a doctor, while in Runescape I mine Iron ore all day to make money.....

In response to my post please DO discuss:
-flaws in my logic/reasoning
-Other basic principles to why people are wealthy or poor


Example of a great response!

iAssasin, on 07 November 2009 - 09:53 AM, said:

It all depends on what the individual wants to achieve.

I personally built my wealth on fishing, Aviansies camping (before it became popular) and to some extent, PKing and Godwars. All these factors were attributed to my clan's event system, and integrated well with my main ambition of having fun first and foremost. With a few hours of game time a night and a bit of luck, my activity was enough to push my bank up and over any expectations I originally had.

If we're getting technical, my road to wealth was a mixture of consistent money making and probable money making.

This post has been edited by rubberduck: 08 November 2009 - 10:11 PM

[Arno]

I've always advocated the purpose and necessity of hard work, but I have to add a small nuance to your post: while it is in fact possible to get 99 RC in 36 weeks, that's only theoretically speaking. If you add in the factors determination, persistence, social lives, passion, parents, patience, then you quickly narrow down the number of people who're capable of reaching 99 RC. So yeah, it is possible to go from 44 to 99 in that timeframe, but we all know how boring it is to train Runescape and what 13M Runecrafting experience means (= hell). If it was "that easy", everyone would have 99 RC, wouldn't they? The brutal truth is that not everyone is destined to be rich. There needs to be poor players, there needs to be a middle class and there needs to be a class with the filthy rich. If everyone went around getting 99 RC and 99 Smithing, you'd mess up the entire system. Besides, after a while, there would just be a new kind of rich, where having 500M means you're poor. This whole poor vs rich dichotomy is a thing of all ages. If it were truly as simple as you depict, the world would not know poverty. Some people are doomed to settle for mediocrity.

[Devils Jig]

Arno, on 03 November 2009 - 07:51 AM, said:

Some people are doomed to settle for mediocrity.

I agree with your post... However i did not like your choice of words on this last line.. DOOMED to settle for mediocrity?
Since when did providing enough to get by become a bad thing? IRL there is soo much pressure and emphasise put on the need to become wealthy, get a good education to go to uni, go to uni to get a high paying job, get a high paying job to get alot of money, Strive for that raise to get more money.. Ect ect...

I don't want to be caught up in this... Whether its Runescape or IRL. I make enough to do what i want to, i don't intend to earn copious amounts of money so it can sit in my bank and collect dust.. Id rather earn what i need, when i need to, and just sit back and enjoy the ride of life... In runescape or IRL.. Just my 2 cents..

[Teddy]

Devils Jig, on 02 November 2009 - 07:22 PM, said:

Arno, on 03 November 2009 - 07:51 AM, said:

Some people are doomed to settle for mediocrity.

I agree with your post... However i did not like your choice of words on this last line.. DOOMED to settle for mediocrity?
Since when did providing enough to get by become a bad thing? IRL there is soo much pressure and emphasise put on the need to become wealthy, get a good education to go to uni, go to uni to get a high paying job, get a high paying job to get alot of money, Strive for that raise to get more money.. Ect ect...

I don't want to be caught up in this... Whether its Runescape or IRL. I make enough to do what i want to, i don't intend to earn copious amounts of money so it can sit in my bank and collect dust.. Id rather earn what i need, when i need to, and just sit back and enjoy the ride of life... In runescape or IRL.. Just my 2 cents..

It does not have to be a bad thing at all. In fact, the man who wants for nothing and has little is far better off than the man who wants for everything but has most. However, many players in the game like to complain about people like Chessy018 and how they're filthy rich, or that some people are way too lucky at God Wars Dungeon. Unfortunately, you need money to make money in merchanting, and you need skills that were funded by money to make all the money in God Wars Dungeon. So there is some merit to the argument that it's becoming increasingly difficult to join the upper class.

But I can attest to what Arno has said, considering I have been going for 99 Runecrafting myself for quite a while now. I just recently obtained 91 Runecrafting, and it was indeed as close as Hell can get in RuneScape. Now I have essentially the steadiest highest moneymaker in the game. But how many people can do it? If you got all of your friends on your friends list to go for 99 RuneCrafting, they all might be eager at the very beginning, but I guarantee few, if any, will finish it all the way to the end, no matter how much money they want to make and how much they want it. The truth is, only a few people have the traits of dedication and motivation that is necessary to succeed in repetitive games like RuneScape. If they're ones that want for a lot of money, then as Arno said, they are doomed.

It's best, in my opinion, to be happy with your lot in RuneScape, and only use money for goals that are pertinent to the actual game (like maxing out) rather than showing off with a partyhat, establishing the maximum amount of cash, etc.

-Teddy

[bolshevik]

Doomed for mediocrity is a little harsh to be honest, not everyone has a choice in what they can or cannot do in their lives. Albeit that sounds like an untrue statement, there are various societies in which people cannot move up in classes, but it isn't by any fault of their own. "Settling" isn't the right word for what you are trying to show, it's more like they don't have any other choice because of who they are, and where they live. A perfect example of such, is the Caste system in India; people here cannot move up in society, they are born into it, but they can however, move down. Being stuck in a certain aspect of a society doesn't equate to people being necessarily happy with it, nor them being able to do anything about such.

The wealth gap can simply be contributed between the people who know how to play the game effectively, those who don't, and the others who really don't care about how wealthy they are. Various people know how to work the Grand Exchange and make millions every day, sitting back and hardly doing any work; you could relate these to CEOs of companies, who exploit the lower people in order to make their money. There are people who just work for their money, whether they are good at it or not contributes directly towards it, but not limited to it just because of what they know, and who they are. And the last category is filled with people who are playing 'scape in order to just have fun, talk to friends, and enjoy themselves rather than worrying about their cashpile. These people tend to be semi-rich, but not over the top like the first category; who could equate these people to middle-class, maybe a little bit higher, people. These three different "classes" of people are the basic layers of Runescape, and their ways they go about making money, directly contributes to how the others do, and what happens in the future.

[Arno]

Devils Jig, on 03 November 2009 - 02:22 AM, said:

Arno, on 03 November 2009 - 07:51 AM, said:

Some people are doomed to settle for mediocrity.

I agree with your post... However i did not like your choice of words on this last line.. DOOMED to settle for mediocrity?
Since when did providing enough to get by become a bad thing? IRL there is soo much pressure and emphasise put on the need to become wealthy, get a good education to go to uni, go to uni to get a high paying job, get a high paying job to get alot of money, Strive for that raise to get more money.. Ect ect...

I don't want to be caught up in this... Whether its Runescape or IRL. I make enough to do what i want to, i don't intend to earn copious amounts of money so it can sit in my bank and collect dust.. Id rather earn what i need, when i need to, and just sit back and enjoy the ride of life... In runescape or IRL.. Just my 2 cents..

I'm not sure what kind of a storm I'm going to get cast over me by saying this but ... yes, if you settle for mediocrity, that is a bad thing. I'm not advocating the rich upper class, I'm advocating the kind of people who continuously strive to improve, as humans, as students, as members of a society. So when you are not capable of improvement, you are kind of doomed to settle for mediocrity. That is why it's called "mediocrity", not "superiority".

If the best you can say is "meh, I'm fine with this." or "I'm not going to bother", you won't get anywhere in this life. It's an illusion that being mediocre and being the underdog is in anyway a "good thing". This illusion is created by writers and populists. I guess if you read any book by Charles Bukowski, you get a feeling for the "underdog", the guy who's always just settling for "enough" and never caring for anything. While Bukowski is a fantastic writer and his alter ego Chinaski is too, his message is not constructive on its own. The way I was raised, by my mother, I always keep an eye on the future and on the present, making sure I make the most of the time that is given to me. Yes, from earlier discussions you could hunt down the posts where I defended the philosophy of "not giving a crap", but you have to see those statements and place them in the right context: caring about stupid updates in Runescape and player disagreements. I do care about certain things in life, one of them being "be the best you can".

[Jared Turbo3]

Now adays the only way i can actually make money is from runecrafting because merchanting clans make prices sore through the roof and when want to sell a whip at 3m for example they wont sell becuase peoplewont buy them.

[The duck]

Jared Turbo3, on 03 November 2009 - 10:35 AM, said:

Now adays the only way i can actually make money is from runecrafting because merchanting clans make prices sore through the roof and when want to sell a whip at 3m for example they wont sell becuase peoplewont buy them.

It's not all the work of merchanting clans. Inflation is a big key-factor aswell.

And I agree, the wealth gap is getting bigger. In an economy, you need multiple 'classes', but if more and more people end up in the 'rich class', another, even richer class might emerge, thus leaving the lower classes even more poor, compared to others.

[rubberduck]

First of all good luck Teddy on 99 Runecrafting but as you may already notice the last 8 levels seem to be the easiest despite the exp needed.

I hear a lot of talk about how you need to be rich or try to be or you’re DOOMED for mediocrity. Let me start of by saying that I believe I have a large sum of money. I have more than 150 Million gold at this moment. I can buy nearly any USFUL items in the game and just a handful of items all together are out of reach. However much cash I have though it’s not enough, when I had 50 million I wanted 100 million, and when I got that I wanted 200 million and so on... It was never ending and I was never happy with what I had!

Bottom line was I lost interest in Runescape because it become more of a chore than a GAME!

Growing up I was told a story of a fisherman and it goes as fellows....

There once was a Fisherman that had one boat and fished enough to make a living and feed his family. He spends a good hour or so fishing everyday and the rest he enjoyed with his family. Until a big-eyed money man noticed this fisherman’s potential to make more money. He told he fisherman that if he hired a few workers and get a new boat you could make more money and then buy more boats and more workers until you have a fleet of ships. The Fisherman asked what would he do then and the money man said he would spend some of the day overseeing the work of his fleet of ships and the rest with his loving family. The Fisherman then said 'But isn't that what I'm already doing?'

Point is doing what you love in life and in Runescape. I just found out yesterday that I can look at my total time played: 226 Days. That’s a lot and to think that I spent nearly 23 days (14m exp at 25k/hr) of my life Runecrafting is just sad because the end result, a cool cape and a lust for money that will never end. Is it worth it?

[DaveC]

Nice mathematics. It supports my way of making money in a way: Max a skill you enjoy that gains money such as Hunter, Fishing or WCing. The issue with this guide here is that you are not accounting for several relatively large factors. For starters not a lot of people enjoy RCing judged by conversation I have had with people / threads I have read over the years. The majority find it incredibly boring and hard to keep up for an extended period.

You are telling people that they can get 91 RCing if they RC for two hours a day, seven days a week for 16 weeks/four months (16 weeks doesn't sound like much, but 4 months does. It's a psychological thing). I don't know about you but I would top myself in the space of four weeks if I did that. That is an incredible amount of effort to put in considering it is a skill that requires all your attention (And it will if you are to do 44-91 RCing in 16 weeks) and is not entirely summed up in "Boring".

I like the way you have put this together but you need to take account as to why people don't already attempt this.

This post has been edited by DaveC: 03 November 2009 - 03:38 PM

[rubberduck]

DaveC, on 03 November 2009 - 04:35 PM, said:

Nice mathematics. It supports my way of making money in a way: Max a skill you enjoy that gains money such as Hunter, Fishing or WCing. The issue with this guide here is that you are not accounting for several relatively large factors. For starters not a lot of people enjoy RCing judged by conversation I have had with people / threads I have read over the years. The majority find it incredibly boring and hard to keep up for an extended period.

You are telling people that they can get 91 RCing if they RC for two hours a day, seven days a week for 16 weeks/four months (16 weeks doesn't sound like much, but 4 months does. It's a psychological thing). I don't know about you but I would top myself in the space of four weeks if I did that. That is an incredible amount of effort to put in considering it is a skill that requires all your attention (And it will if you are to do 44-91 RCing in 16 weeks) and is not entirely summed up in "Boring".

I like the way you have put this together but you need to take account as to why people don't already attempt this.

I rather did enjoy Runecrafting at one point, and keep in mind when you say im missing some large factor that I come from a Runecrafting background. I spend a lot of time Runecrafting and I meet many of people that really enjoy Runecrafting along with joining ClanChats that are decated to Runecrafting. I would say its a taste, you either like it or you don't.

For 16 weeks of 2 hours of work being Borning...well thats life. From the time your 18 till 65 you should be saving money for retirement, money that I'm sure we would all love to spend, and thats 47 years of real work. Now thats BORING.

But I would agreed that Runecrafting is Boring and its not for everyone, but I just was sick of people saying that its impossable to gain large amount of weath now a days and so i threw some number togother and proved that it was prossable (and I followed how I did it myself so I know its do-able) I have friends that have been playing for only 2 years with 35 million Runecrafting exp... do you think he likes Runecrafting... Duh (but he might be alittle crazy =P )

Point is he found something that will make you good and made about a Billion Gold in the process. But for everyone on of him there are 1000's of people that just simply couldnt do it.

This post has been edited by rubberduck: 03 November 2009 - 03:57 PM

[DaveC]

rubberduck, on 03 November 2009 - 09:50 PM, said:

DaveC, on 03 November 2009 - 04:35 PM, said:

Nice mathematics. It supports my way of making money in a way: Max a skill you enjoy that gains money such as Hunter, Fishing or WCing. The issue with this guide here is that you are not accounting for several relatively large factors. For starters not a lot of people enjoy RCing judged by conversation I have had with people / threads I have read over the years. The majority find it incredibly boring and hard to keep up for an extended period.

You are telling people that they can get 91 RCing if they RC for two hours a day, seven days a week for 16 weeks/four months (16 weeks doesn't sound like much, but 4 months does. It's a psychological thing). I don't know about you but I would top myself in the space of four weeks if I did that. That is an incredible amount of effort to put in considering it is a skill that requires all your attention (And it will if you are to do 44-91 RCing in 16 weeks) and is not entirely summed up in "Boring".

I like the way you have put this together but you need to take account as to why people don't already attempt this.

For 16 weeks of 2 hours of work being Borning...well thats life. From the time your 18 till 65 you should be saving money for retirement, money that I'm sure we would all love to spend, and thats 47 years of real work. Now thats BORING.

But I would agreed that Runecrafting is Boring and its not for everyone, but I just was sick of people saying that its impossable to gain large amount of weath now a days and so i threw some number togother and proved that it was prossable (and I followed how I did it myself so I know its do-able) I have friends that have been playing for only 2 years with 35 million Runecrafting exp... do you think he likes Runecrafting... Duh (but he might be alittle crazy =P )

I find it interesting how you can take 16 weeks of 2 hours work per day where you are doing the same task, the same route, working for the same goal and compare it to a real-life job which presents new tasks and opportunities every day. You also compared a job which earns us money to a game which we spend money on to play.

I'd like to know how you justify such comparisons.

[thehelloman0]

rubberduck, on 03 November 2009 - 04:50 PM, said:

I rather did enjoy Runecrafting at one point, and keep in mind when you say im missing some large factor that I come from a Runecrafting background. I spend a lot of time Runecrafting and I meet many of people that really enjoy Runecrafting along with joining ClanChats that are decated to Runecrafting. I would say its a taste, you either like it or you don't.

For 16 weeks of 2 hours of work being Borning...well thats life. From the time your 18 till 65 you should be saving money for retirement, money that I'm sure we would all love to spend, and thats 47 years of real work. Now thats BORING.

But... a game is different than real life. You play it for fun. If you are only having fun a quarter of the time, you are missing the point of the game.

I do see your point though. Your example of runecrafting can be applied to anything in runescape, really. Work at something hard enough (whether it runecrafting, fishing, ect.) and you will get rich.

[bolshevik]

DaveC, on 03 November 2009 - 05:00 PM, said:

I find it interesting how you can take 16 weeks of 2 hours work per day where you are doing the same task, the same route, working for the same goal and compare it to a real-life job which presents new tasks and opportunities every day. You also compared a job which earns us money to a game which we spend money on to play.

I'd like to know how you justify such comparisons.

I think a sort of job that he is comparing it to, would be like a monotonous desk job; same route every day. While I agree that it can be effective to use such routes every single day, it can and probably will in fact become boring after a certain amount of time.

[Arch Marshal]

To be honest, the majority of the wealthy players are extremely active in the marching community.

There are others who camp bosses (like corp and GWD) or the very patient skillers.

[c adae]

Why are there rich and poor when the moneymaking methods are out there, plain and simple?

Simple, because there are those of us who know far better moneymaking methods than what the common person uses. My runecrafting method makes twice the profits of single nats, and gets far more xp. Most people train woodcutting for money, even though I can make four times what they can with far lower stats.

It's all on how you play the game.

This post has been edited by c adae: 07 November 2009 - 02:40 PM

[skil_z]

Well I had a 20m bank this time last year, thanks to luck from td's and 76king I'm sitting at around 220m and iv lost over 200 rune sets and a pair of claws and also spent 60m on summoning

luck ftw stuff hard work lol

[Hells Planet]

First of all, 88.7% of statistics are made up on the spot. Meaning there is a 99.9% chance that yours is aswell. Its very simple. You either work hard for your money, get lucky, or have an education and learn how to do the stock market or something similar.

It's pretty much a mix of all three that make a richer person.

[PkedFoSho]

First off, if you consider it luck that a member of your family dies and you get money from it, then you're an douche.

If you would like to know how to earn money in RS, and not have to pick flax and woodcut, you have to work for it. If you do armadyl for 1 trip a week, do you think you're gonna get any drops? No. You have to do it repetitively and a lot.

This post has been edited by PkedFoSho: 06 November 2009 - 08:43 PM

[Arno]

PkedFoSho, on 07 November 2009 - 03:43 AM, said:

First off, if you consider it luck that a member of your family dies and you get money from it, then you're an douche.

I'm pretty sure he meant that a friend in real life quit Runescape and leaves you the money.